Have found a death, in NZ, for George Samuel Weymss Dalrymple and that's a good start. It might provide a few more clues regarding his wife.

Hmm... Are you sure that Emily Eliza Dalrymple remained a spinster? The reason I ask is that I *think* I have a possible marriage for her. If she was born in 1852/3 then a marriage in 1878 is quite probable.

Shizara, this very clever stuff you're doing. The Foxton guy told us that there is still a firm of lawyers called Hankins in Palmerston North- I can't find them but I did find one in Auckland. He says he's not one of our Hankins but his Father was asked in 1960s as he wore a family resemblance. Until, my email to him last night he'd thought his was the 1st Hankins firm in NZ- now he's looked back and has found when John Herbert registered to practice. Incidetally, there's a firm of Fitzherbert Rowe in Palmerston North- they may have links through an elderly Aunt Fitzherbert whose son died without issue. I don't know anyway, more marmalade and meanwhile the search for Emily and George Samuel goes on. Maybe Emily wasn't a spinster. Its just that Mum says she seemed 'absent' so that was what was assumed.

Am going to go with my gut feelings on the marriage. Also, have found someone else that I think is also connected but will give you the details when I get home. Am posting this from my mobile so don't have the details to hand.

What, more peeps- its exciting because there's a wealth of unknowns that may now come into the light. What a shame for the past that was left so distanced. I look forward to this, I feel yet another 'moment' may not be too far away
Just another spanner below
'James Henry Adolph Fitzherbert, was paid by William IV in 1832 to go into exile in America. ' This is from a document about Maria Fitzherbert; wife/wiflet to George 1Vth. Mum has always said she is an Aunt of some sort by marriage. I wonder???(Did he go to America though or did he travel on to NZ?)

Question time again... Does the name "Daisy" ring any bells with you or your Mum?

You are familiar now with the name George Samuel Wemyss Dalrymple.. I found another name that follows a similar formula... John George Wemyss Dalrymple.. am going to do a bit more fossicking around for that. Maybe Agnes and Emily had a brother.

Husband's Name
George IV King Of ENGLAND (AFN:9FNG-TH) Pedigree
Born: 12 Aug 1762 Place: St. James Palace, Westminster, Middlesex, England
Christened: 8 Sep 1762 Place: St. James Palace, Westminster, Middlesex, England
Died: 26 Jun 1830 Place: Windsor Castle, Windsor, Berkshire, England
Buried: 15 Jul 1830 Place: St. George Chapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England
Married: 15 Dec 1785 Place: London, , , England
Father: George III William Frederick Hanover King Of ENGLAND (AFN:9FNG-NM) Family
Mother: Sofie Charlotte Princess Of MECKLENBURG STRELITZ (AFN:8F7J-MC)
Wife's Name
Maria Anne FITZHERBERT (AFN:1FSW-CT6) Pedigree
Born: 1756 Place: , , , England
Died: 1837 Place: Brighton, , , England
Buried: Place: St John The Bapt, Brighton, , England
Married: 15 Dec 1785 Place: London, , , England
Father:
Mother:

You might find this interesting - if you haven't already found it:

Fitzherbert Family Genealogy - Maria Anne Fitzherbert Smythe

Shizara, The name 'Daisy' rings no bells for me but I will see what Mum says. The Foxton historian;Tony did pose the possibility of a son to Mr Dalrymple though I have no idea where he has got that from. He referred to The Dalrymples suggesting if it's the same family line they have dropped the 'Weymss' bit. As for The Fitzherberts, it would seem unlikely given that there is no mention of them branching onwards to NZ unless the ?Marianne whose life seems not to be documented is a link.There is 'Aunt Kate' Fitzherbert that Mum mentioned whose only son died without issue. She lived in a lavish home now a country club sort of place. William Fitzherbert is the name on 'our' branch but it Still seems doubtful though. I wonder where 'our' Fitzherberts emerged from? Heyho, more marmalade.

Marmalade - challenge - treasure hunt

I have a bit more on John Herbert Hankins...

W. Bro. John Herbert Hankins A.G.R. Born 13th June 1846 – Died 27th June 1928

Known to be a Mason for at least 14 years in both English and Scottish Constitutions.

Former member of Lodge Westland No 88

Foundation Master of The Manawatu Kilwinning Lodge 1883

John Hankins married Agnes Sophia Wemyss in 1872 and they had four sons and three daughters. He was articled to C.E. Button a barrister and solicitor in Hokitika and was admitted to the bar in 1876. He then came to Foxton to offices opposite Whytes Hotel. He then expanded to Palmerston North in 1881 and founded the firm Fitzherbert Abraham now Fizherbert Rowe which is still in existence today. When the Palmerston North Law Society was formed John was its first president. John was a keen sportsman, one of the founders of the Manawatu Racing Club of which he was President and became a life member. He was also President of the Manawatu Rugby Union and donated the Hankins Shield which is still played for annually.

Do you have a photo of John Herbert Hankins? - I have one of those now too.

Wow, you've got hotlines into an amazing database. I'm printing this off for Mum. I don't think I've seen a photo of him but there is this 'gathering' of Hankins,Fitzherberts and my Mum is the toddler on some one's lap, it might have been him. If he died in 1928 that would fit.('W. Bro. John Herbert Hankins A.G.R. Born 13th June 1846 – Died 27th June 1928'- Excuse my density but what do the 'W.Bro' and the 'A.G.R.' mean?) Its also a bit spookey because he died on the day that some 69 years later that my Daughter was due and the day some 71 years and 6 months on exactly my son was born. Is there something about the 27th?- life cycle.He was reported to have come from herefordshire- not sure where though etc.
I saw the Fitzherbert Rowe firm and wonder if there's an actual Fitzherbert practicing, if there is, that will be a family member of whom we don't know. Otherwise, they are just using the old firm's name.
I asked Mum about the name 'Daisy' and it drew a blank. When I mentioned John Weyms- Dalrymple a puzzled look came over her and then a reflective Hmmm, I wonder? sort of look. I think that is currently stirring up some dusty memories because she then said she had a very vague idea that at one point Granny- Agnes went off to Hokitika to stay with her brother but she wasn't sure. I think you're hot on the trail again. Excellent- bring it on

On a bit of a information digging roll at the moment though need some clarity on something. "Aunt Nell", daughter of Southey Baker, what is her real name? This is important because I have found someone with a connection to both the Southey Baker men I have found.

Also, John Herbert Hankins was a very respectable man. Were the two children that are attributed to Southey Baker older or younger than the 5 born to Agnes and John Hankins?

I need to investigate this further, but, I found a marriage for Emilie Eliza Dalrymple. - Yes, I know the spelling of the Christian name is different but that isn't unusual.

Emilie Eliza Dalrymple married Arthur Robert Nicholls in 1878. There have been three births found to this couple and naturally am wondering if the key to this is within the name of the second child:

1879 - Alma Marcia NICHOLLS - death (1880) aged 9 months

1881 - Frank Wemyss Dalrymple NICHOLLS * no death found in NZ

1882 - Kate Elaine NICHOLLS* no death found in NZ

On a roll now with regard to Emily Eliza Dalrymple. She didn't stay in New Zealand. She went to Australia, New South Wales to be precise. She died in 1949 in Sydney and her father is named as George Samuel Wemyss. Of interest, her mother is not named.

Her son Frank was a Dentist. - More to follow when I put it all together.

Such a wealth of information and I have another place in NZ to make contact with that has, it seems, more information, so bear with me. I want to finish collating and updating your evergrowing family tree, though, at some point I will need to make a tree using a file you can open, unless you have Family Tree Maker.

Exciting times!