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It's such an intriguing story and the path of which you need to document for yourselves and future generations.

I had a thought..

Taken from that url about GSW Dalrymple in NZ was the last line which read..

" He has in his possession a most interesting collection of old family papers and relics."

Have you been able to get near to those? If not, I wonder who has them, perhaps they went to his son, but equally it could have been the eldest, Agnes. They might hold the answers to many things.

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I haven't a clue where to begin with that.
Mum says of Gen Sam Dalrymple- 'that's the painting- it was of him in scarlet coat with white wig'.If she's right, he was also Governor Gen of Giyana(?spelling) it doesn't exist now- name change to something else. Apparently a Dr she used to work with here in the 1980S was from there and he said there's a statue of him there.


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With regard to Samuel Dalrymple and a statue in Guyana I did find this:

"......an urn-like sculpture that (William) Dalrymple says commemorates a distant kinsman. Lt. Col. Sam Dalrymple of the Madras Artillery is remembered in this sometimes cared for, sometimes untended memorial built in 1821/2"

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You are clever. What a strange thing to say though- 'distant relative...'' Shizara please see your pms.


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I checked my PMs and have responded to the message.

Not clever so much as following hunches and searching particular paths.

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Still, you are clever, I just wouldn't believe what I was seeing/reading -save for the support. :)


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Have a look at this- it belonged to Miss Christian Dalrymple.
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Have a look at this. I have said before my Mum keeps going on about 'General Dalrymple'. She says she thinks the errant oil painting was of him. She has also said he was Governer General of Guyana. The strangest thing today at work now makes me believe she's on the right family thread. My colleague of 7 years is of Indian extract. I asked her today which part of India her family come from. She replied her husband's lot come from Madras but she is 4th generation Guyanian. I told her my Mum keeps saying there is a statue of her Great (x4) uncle there; General Samuel and she said she knew there was. She also asked me was I 'James' relative?'- how bazaar is that?
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Have been looking for the statue/memorial/plaque of Samuel Dalrymple and if I haven't already shown it to you I came up with:

While in Madras, Dalrymple didn't find the time to follow up his Pondicherry connection,
but he did catch up with a Madras connection on his way to the airport. Between Kathipara Junction and Mohite Stadium on the Great Southern Trunk Road in St. Thomas' Mount is that connection, a cupola over an urn-like sculpture that Dalrymple says commemorates a distant kinsman. Lt. Col. Sam Dalrymple of the Madras Artillery is remembered in this sometimes cared for, sometimes untended memorial built in 1821/2. St. Thomas' Mount Cantonment was for long the regimental centre of the Madras Artillery and today's Mohite Stadium here was yesterday's artillery park. What is now the Officers' Mess of the Officers' Training Academy was built in 1815 and served for over a hundred years as the Officers' Mess of the Madras Artillery. If he'd had more time, Dalrymple might well have caught up with the ghost of Great `Uncle' Sam and the grave of his wife Margaret, who is described by Mountstuart Elphinstone in the book as "an affected, sour, supercilious woman" and `odious' by another contemporary.

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Well I never. I'm unsure how WD (author) is connected. I was wondering if he is descended from Noorjah or McBean. We are fairly certain now he isn't from GWD. as GSWD's children are listed. I haven't found another child from GWD except for Eliza's daughter from Captain Dawson. So there's a statue of Gen Samuel in Madras but there is also one of him in Guyana where he was Governor General.
I've had another 'worrying' discovery. I've found that Dame Ann, James and Samuel's mother having had the other children, may have had them by another father.William 3rd Bart. died in 1771 if I read it properly.(Stirnet-it interrupts you're reading unless you're a member) Maybe that is why they are not mentioned in her Will except for Simon who was only 10 or so when she died. I do wonder how old she was when she had him. Its very strange. More questions as I said. What do you think?


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Bingo- GWD and Eliza are in Sighthill cemetary but sadly in separate 'lairs' which GWD bought. She is buried under the guise of Eliza Thomson and he George Dalrymple. His date of death is skewed aswell. This tells me more and more they were 'hidden' as Watsons, told they would be looked after except obviously poor Noorjah wasn't as she was in India and in death they were equally 'hidden'.I aim to right this. :D


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Another load of questions that need attention. When these children travelled to the UK from India, were they old enough to travel alone? If not, who accompanied them? Did they stay with anyone? Were the rest of the family involved in their lives? - This is going to be quite a story.

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These are the same questions that have been buzzing around my head. Noorjah's letter does say her brother was sent to England by 'my Father's executors' Those were:-'Honourable LGK Murray,Captain A Orr,Captain John Goldsworthy,Alex Kennedy Esq., Surgeon Lieut.J R McDonald. His agents were Messrs Tulloh, Connell and Brodie also Messrs Chase Sewell & Co of Fort St George.' I don't know what 'agents' are other than I guess they are bankers and or solicitors.
Anyway, this brings me onto another bit of recall my Mum mentioned this morning. She says Granny must have known the connections very well because when Mum's cousins Dulcie and Marjorie (Fitzherbert- there's a sequel to this story in that family's history with The King and Mrs Fitzherbert!!!)went on a trip to England/Scotland, Granny detailed them to seek out The Earl of Stair. She must have written to The Earl ahead of them arriving in the UK from NZ.They were welcomed by staying at what must have been Castle Kennedy for a weekend. I have seen a very old photo of them at what looks like some old pile.
This tells me that they all knew the children and the connections very well so yes, where did GWD stay and who with? Where do we find this stuff out? I wondered if He was educated at Haileybury College. I did email the archivist there but no reply.I've tried ringing today but no answer. They're probabley still on the summer break so I've emailed again.


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I might be wrong, because the information is from Wikipedia..

William Dalrymple (the author) was born 20 March 1965 with the name William Hamilton-Dalrymple seemingly having dropped the Hamilton part of the name. His father is named there as Sir Hew Hamilton-Dalrymple, 10th baronet.

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Well found. That means he is from the other branch where The Stairs changed track.If this is him, then no wonder he has declined to reply or say where his sources come from. They may even be in the family library bookcase!


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GSWD was buried in Archer Street cemetary, Masterton, NZ 01/08/1908.


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